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	<title>Comments on: Meat</title>
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	<description>Ack Ack Ack</description>
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		<title>By: Harley</title>
		<link>http://www.harleyquine.com/2007/08/23/meat/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an entire recycling cupboard under my sink i.e I put the junk there and never do anything with it :) Maybe I should start sticking it in a recycling bin, soon it'll overflow. Ack Sundays.. got practice in an hour and I'm still in my jammies. Go me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an entire recycling cupboard under my sink i.e I put the junk there and never do anything with it :) Maybe I should start sticking it in a recycling bin, soon it&#8217;ll overflow. Ack Sundays.. got practice in an hour and I&#8217;m still in my jammies. Go me!</p>
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		<title>By: Tommi</title>
		<link>http://www.harleyquine.com/2007/08/23/meat/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make a little sticker what says "Ei ilmaisjakeluja" above your mailbox and you should be set for junk mail. Although, it doesn't reduce the amount of waste. It just goes to trash. Maybe just keep receiving the junk mail and recycle it better by yourself :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make a little sticker what says &#8220;Ei ilmaisjakeluja&#8221; above your mailbox and you should be set for junk mail. Although, it doesn&#8217;t reduce the amount of waste. It just goes to trash. Maybe just keep receiving the junk mail and recycle it better by yourself :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sail</title>
		<link>http://www.harleyquine.com/2007/08/23/meat/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back again.

If those chicks were vegans (as I'd assume), their make up propably wasn't tested on animals and no animal products were used as they were made. I know this wasn't your point really, and I have to agree that all the junk we love propably harms some creatures somewhere. Especially as we're contributing to global warming we endanger other (and not just animals but humans as well). An individual who likes to avoid this would try to keep their lust for electric devices and speedy travel in check, and start bying more environmentally friendly electricity.

Actually, according to my information, raising cattle (/ animals, can't quite recall) for slaughter causes as much green house gas emissions as traffic (globally). That's partly 'cos cows tend to burp methane while they're digesting their food.

I don't think there's much of a difference between slaughtering for food and slaughtering for clothing. The main issue is whether or not you need to slaughter an animal for something; if you don't need to eat meat (as most people in developed countries don't) your getting animals killed because you like the taste of meat or are accustomed to your eating habbits. You could eat soy and/or oil-hemp seeds instead (though you still need to get vitamin B12 from somewhere but you can get that from certain vegan-products if your not against farming bacteria).

I think your supposed to eat fresh vegetables while they're fresh ;) Boiling vegetables does suck, it curbs their tastes and destroys their vitamins. It's true that vegan sources of protein can be more expensive and that not everyone can afford them (of course in some cases one can spend less money on something else). If you can't afford to eat / live vegan, you have no choice in the matter, and thus your actions have little or nothing to do with ethics.

Btw, if you'd like to avoid that kind of junk mail you can tell Posti or whoever it was that they can't give your info to any company. This may not eliminate junk mail in your household completely, as your name and address are already in circulation between the companies, but it will cut down their numbers. I can find out where it was that you can do that thing, if you like.

Well, I guess that was all. This was just a morning rant so there might be some errors (of fact or logic) but I'm sure you'll let me know :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back again.</p>
<p>If those chicks were vegans (as I&#8217;d assume), their make up propably wasn&#8217;t tested on animals and no animal products were used as they were made. I know this wasn&#8217;t your point really, and I have to agree that all the junk we love propably harms some creatures somewhere. Especially as we&#8217;re contributing to global warming we endanger other (and not just animals but humans as well). An individual who likes to avoid this would try to keep their lust for electric devices and speedy travel in check, and start bying more environmentally friendly electricity.</p>
<p>Actually, according to my information, raising cattle (/ animals, can&#8217;t quite recall) for slaughter causes as much green house gas emissions as traffic (globally). That&#8217;s partly &#8216;cos cows tend to burp methane while they&#8217;re digesting their food.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much of a difference between slaughtering for food and slaughtering for clothing. The main issue is whether or not you need to slaughter an animal for something; if you don&#8217;t need to eat meat (as most people in developed countries don&#8217;t) your getting animals killed because you like the taste of meat or are accustomed to your eating habbits. You could eat soy and/or oil-hemp seeds instead (though you still need to get vitamin B12 from somewhere but you can get that from certain vegan-products if your not against farming bacteria).</p>
<p>I think your supposed to eat fresh vegetables while they&#8217;re fresh ;) Boiling vegetables does suck, it curbs their tastes and destroys their vitamins. It&#8217;s true that vegan sources of protein can be more expensive and that not everyone can afford them (of course in some cases one can spend less money on something else). If you can&#8217;t afford to eat / live vegan, you have no choice in the matter, and thus your actions have little or nothing to do with ethics.</p>
<p>Btw, if you&#8217;d like to avoid that kind of junk mail you can tell Posti or whoever it was that they can&#8217;t give your info to any company. This may not eliminate junk mail in your household completely, as your name and address are already in circulation between the companies, but it will cut down their numbers. I can find out where it was that you can do that thing, if you like.</p>
<p>Well, I guess that was all. This was just a morning rant so there might be some errors (of fact or logic) but I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll let me know :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Sail</title>
		<link>http://www.harleyquine.com/2007/08/23/meat/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Sail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, you should have come to me and I would have given you an argument for veganism without insulting the opposition.. unless suggesting that their methods of food production are unethical is an insult. In any case, my main argument is that causing suffering to any even partially sentient being when not necessary is unethical. Of course it is very difficult to avoid causing suffering in our modern world, especially as we do not always see the suffering we have been contributing to. Out of sight, out of mind. 

I'll reply to the rest of your thoughts tomorrow or whenever it is that I have more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, you should have come to me and I would have given you an argument for veganism without insulting the opposition.. unless suggesting that their methods of food production are unethical is an insult. In any case, my main argument is that causing suffering to any even partially sentient being when not necessary is unethical. Of course it is very difficult to avoid causing suffering in our modern world, especially as we do not always see the suffering we have been contributing to. Out of sight, out of mind. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll reply to the rest of your thoughts tomorrow or whenever it is that I have more time.</p>
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